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The features of a traditional carburetor engine are such that it is very difficult to install a turbine on it. This is very expensive, and the alterations will take hundreds of man-hours. Why is that? I explain:
Installing a turbine on a VAZ 2106.
1. Unlike a compressor, when installing a turbine on a VAZ, you definitely need an intercooler. An intercooler is something like a radiator, only for cooling the air. With a greater increase in pressure created by the turbine and several other reasons, the air heats up. As we know from the physics course, heated air takes up much more volume than cool air. Hence the problem: it turns out that the turbine worked practically in vain - the volume of air remained almost the same. Naturally, there will be an effect without an intercooler, but much less than with it.
2. Unlike a compressor, it is not safe to place a turbine on a carburetor. The pressure is extremely high and there can be a bang through the exhaust manifold, causing the hood to fly off. On an injection engine, the intake method is fundamentally different, and a turbine is a more desirable option, although more expensive.
3. The third follows from the second. If we want to put
turbine - you will have to convert the engine into an injection one, or purchase one. Fortunately, at the moment this is not a problem and there are plenty of options for traditional injection engines.
But all this costs a lot of money, and at the low price of traditional vases it can cost as much as 2 – 3 cars or a foreign car. Think about it, it’s worth the effort, but to get away from traffic lights, all you need is a compressor and a carburetor engine. I’m not saying that people don’t install turbines on a VAZ 2106 with a carburetor - they still do, but it’s either poorly or incorrectly manufactured, or not cheap, or they are experienced car mechanics with the availability of suitable parts.
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Compressor (charger) for a carburetor on a VAZ.
1. Compressor
, unlike a turbine, does not develop high pressure
2. Installing an intercooler is not inevitable
3. Installed on a VAZ carburetor!
So, the first most common option is to buy a ready-made kit for the VAZ 2106, VAZ 2107 - a carburetor classic.
There are some available on www.kartuning.ru, at a cost of about 30,000 rubles. Naturally, modifications to the engine will also be useful, but it is not as significant as when installing a turbine. The increase in engine power with a compressor boost of 0.5 bar will be up to 50%.
For the injection "seven"
What are the advantages of a supercharger for a VAZ 2107 with an injector? When compared with turbocharging systems, an injector compressor has many advantages. In particular, we are talking about the following advantages:
- compressor for VAZ 2107 injector does not allow the engine to overheat during its operation;
- the vehicle compressor increases its activity simultaneously with an increase in engine speed;
- The operation of this device does not require external intervention.
Compressor for 2107 injector
It should be noted that the last point is especially relevant for domestic vehicles equipped with an injector. This is due to the relatively complex design of the motor. Actually, like any other device, a compressor can have its drawbacks. In particular, we are talking about reducing the efficiency of the motor. This is due to the increased power consumption that is generated during the operation of the motor.
Another important disadvantage is the large size of the supercharger. As a rule, such devices are very bulky, which causes certain difficulties with its installation. Also, some car owners of the VAZ 2107 injector may not appreciate the loud sound that the supercharger makes during operation. In addition, it should be added that for normal installation of the device, in most cases it is necessary to purchase a special drive. Actually, if you do not have the skills to install superchargers, then you may have certain problems, unlike installing a compressor on a carburetor.
Refinement of the cylinder block
As for the VAZ 2107 cylinder block, you can install lightweight pistons
- in fact, this is the easiest and most effective way to increase the performance of the entire engine as a whole. Why is that? It's very simple - the heavier connecting rod used in the base engine creates increased inertia from reciprocating movements. Part of the engine efficiency is lost to compensate for this physical phenomenon. In general, lightweight connecting rods and pistons can significantly increase engine balancing and also reduce friction.
One of the popular ways to do engine tuning with your own hands is the so-called engine displacement increase.
. This can be achieved by boring the cylinder block itself.
However, it is worth noting that this point is very important and if you do it incorrectly, you can lose the entire motor. Basically, this procedure is performed for old, worn-out engines, which increases their overall compression.
Let's touch the light pistons
, which are initially produced at the plant by casting. However, it is best, as a tuning, to install forged ones, which are lighter and more efficient than standard ones. The forging method reduces internal stresses in the metal.
You can also install an improved collector, which is also popularly called a spider. This will reduce the combined influence of two adjacent cylinders. It allows for better ventilation or blowing of the cylinders, and therefore the resistance of the piston group will decrease and, accordingly, the engine power will increase.
Turbocharger for carburetor VAZ 2107
Installed turbine on a VAZ
The very principle of operation of a turbocharger is to pump processed and compressed oxygen into the combustion chamber. This, in turn, provokes the formation of a larger amount of combustible mixture, which allows increasing the power of the power unit. Often the turbocharger is installed between the intake manifold and the pipe. Gases that have been processed at the exit from the combustion chambers contribute to the rotation of the turbine, which is connected to the compressor. The compressor itself releases air into the engine cylinders. As for the direct quality of the turbocharger, it directly depends on how much fuel was processed. In other words, the faster you go, the higher your gas mileage.
As for the benefits:
- a turbocharger for a VAZ 2107 with a carburetor is relatively light in weight;
- the turbocharger can be adjusted depending on the need for any engine and for any type of carburetor;
- the turbocharger can be mounted on an already tuned engine;
- the installation of a turbocharger will not in any way affect the further modernization of the vehicle;
- The device can be installed on a motor of any size.
Disassembled turbine
It should also be noted that several types of turbochargers can be found on the domestic automobile market. The first is a low pressure turbine. It has a lower price, and its installation can be carried out without making any changes to the design of the machine. This, in turn, saves a lot of money.
You can also purchase a high pressure compressor. Installing such a device involves upgrading the main components of a vehicle with a carburetor and requires large financial investments. To install such a turbocharger, you will need to redo the exhaust system, as well as the injection system. In addition, you will need to tune the engine itself. But the car will be more sporty, maneuverable and dynamic.
Turbine check
Before installing the turbocharger, it is recommended to change the oil, as well as the air and oil filters. The turbine is checked in the following order:
- the oil drain and supply parts of the compressor are inspected for the presence of foreign impurities;
- the catalyst is checked (excess exhaust gases will negatively affect the operation of the compressor);
- all air supply channels are inspected for dirt and blockages;
- The rotor rotation speed is checked.
Familiarization with the turbine design will help when checking its performance.
In other words, checking a turbocharger comes down to:
- control of the quality and quantity of gases released from the collector;
- checking the quality of fresh air supply to the compressor;
- checking the output of hot gases from the turbine;
- checking the compressed air output from the compressor.
What's better?
The answer to this question can only be given by the owner of the VAZ 2107. A cheaper option would be to install a conventional compressor. It won't take much time or money.
But if you want your car to “fly”, then you need to install a turbine.
As stated above, this is a more complex procedure in which you will need to change some components of the car and invest a lot of money in such tuning. But you will definitely be pleased with the result.
Installation of a sports modification
Not all owners of “sevens” know that the Dimitrovgrad Automotive Accessory Plant, in addition to standard equipment, also produces sports versions of carburetors.
Thus, the VAZ 2107–1107010–07 “Solex-Sport” carburetor is considered just such a version, capable of giving the car significant acceleration. Its main advantages are that significant improvements have been made to the design of the installation:
- jets with higher throughput are used;
- the performance of the accelerator pump has been increased;
- cold start characteristics have been improved;
- The design of the chamber opening drives has been changed.
Thus, the “Sport” modification allows you to use all the power capabilities of the engine. However, fuel consumption will be approximately 10% higher than when driving with a standard DAAZ carburetor.
The process of installing a sports carburetor on a VAZ 2107 is no different from installing a standard one - after all, the manufacturer made sure in advance that the new device has the same dimensions and connectors for connections.
The traditional installation diagram looks like this:
- Install a new gasket onto the carburetor seat.
However, not all car owners believe that it is advisable to install a Solex sports carburetor on the “seven”.
you stupidly buy a Solex 21073 from a Niva 1700 and don’t need anything else. rework will require only 200 rubles. and not as they ask for 5800 rubles - this is a scam for suckers. acceleration dynamics can be improved with virtually no significant increase in fuel consumption. and not like these Solex Sport
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How expensive is it
The cost of modifying a car entirely depends on what exactly needs to be improved, what spare parts you will have to buy for this, whether you buy the service at the appropriate car service center or do the tuning yourself. The price of the same change may vary several times depending on your requests. For example, a simple installation of fog lights can cost no more than a thousand rubles if you take inexpensive lamps and do everything yourself. If you want to install it yourself, and even entrust this task to specialists, then be prepared to spend several thousand on it. On the other hand, tuning is not repair. The car can easily survive without these optional modifications. Therefore, you need to take a simpler approach to cost: if you have a desire to improve something and have enough money for it, that’s great; there is no desire or money - well, let it remain as it is.
Which compressor should you choose?
In each individual case, this is decided individually, depending on the availability of resources and skills of the car owner. If a person does not have a lot of money and serious knowledge about the structure of the VAZ 2107 injector engine, then the best choice for him will be a Chinese-made factory kit. In the case where the car owner wants to stand out and has the financial resources, time and appropriate skills to do so, he can try using a compressor from a foreign car. At the same time, you can spend more money and install this part not in your garage, but with the hands of experienced specialists in a car service center. You should also be prepared for the fact that a used compressor installed on an injector will have to be periodically given attention so that its parameters match those of the carburetor. Otherwise, you can waste your money and time.
Kit kit for VAZ injector
How to install an air blower yourself
There are several approaches that allow you to install a mechanical air blower on VAZ family cars with your own hands. This means making a device yourself that provides turbo mode or boosting the engine, or using a ready-made KIT kit.
Homemade supercharger for VAZ
With this approach, the mechanical air blower will be decisive. The entire future design depends on it. The main thing is to find an air supercharger from an imported car that meets the requirements, or you will have to use a homemade one. This is also possible, and in this case suitable parts and components from completely unexpected devices, for example, a vacuum cleaner, are used.
When making such a homemade air supercharger, you need to take literally everything into account - dimensions, weight, placement in the engine compartment, how and where the drive pulley and belt will be located, the performance of this device, operating modes (short-term or long-term), the possibility of lubrication and much, much more. Once the compressor becomes clear, it is necessary to calculate the implementation of the turbo mode for the engine.
Here it is necessary to take into account how the fuel and cooling system of the car will be changed, what changes need to be made to its control and how to do this, what pressure will be acceptable for safe operation of the engine when implementing a turbo mode using such a device.
Even the far from complete list of questions shown shows that making a homemade air supercharger for a VAZ of any family, be it 2107, 2106, 2114, 2112, is quite difficult, but possible. An example would be a photo showing that such work has been successfully completed. True, this is not a VAZ, but the fact itself is important - it is possible to make a homemade air compressor in which its drive unit is connected to the engine crankshaft.
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Technical tuning of the seven
The modifications to the car that are most invisible to an outside viewer concern its most important components. Changes in the technical component can make your seven really go crazy! Check out the materials that will help you significantly improve the dynamic and other technical characteristics of your pet.
- Air suspension: installation and operation
- Fan sensor
- Choosing jets for the carburetor
- Alarm installation
- Installation of power steering
- How to bleed an engine
- Solex carburetor tuning
- Injection engine tuning
- Installing electric power steering
- Installing a limited slip differential
- Installing the turbine
- Installation and adjustment of BSZ
Pros and cons of installation
First, it’s worth understanding what a turbo kit itself is. A turbocharger for a carburetor is very rare due to the complexity of the system itself, which must work perfectly and harmoniously both as a whole and in each individual unit. And high temperatures undoubtedly require the use of specific and expensive materials. And this despite the fact that the carburetor engine, even at the design level, was not designed for supercharging. If we talk about the possibility of such a modification appearing on factory VAZ models, then the probability of this tends to zero due to the cost of the compressor itself, which will add at least 10% to the final cost of the car. Which, in turn, is not possible, given the price segment of these cars.
What to watch out for
After looking at photos of cool tuned sevens, some car enthusiasts begin to look at their “horse” differently. If just yesterday he seemed like a magnificent handsome man, then today I already want to do a little auto tuning on him. Price often doesn't matter. Some “hot guys” install a transparent glass sunroof on their classics, doors that open like a Lamborghini, install a heavy non-original engine, which has an expensive price... How reasonable is all this? In fact, the price of extensive body and engine modifications is extremely inflated. If you have a lot of money and want a cool car, isn’t it better to buy another solution? Fortunately, today there are many good options on the car market for every taste and color. But you should think about your own safety. Proper tuning for the VAZ 2107 is a good thing and often even very useful. It’s not bad when your cabin is warm, there is no unnecessary noise and beautiful music is playing. But many tuned sevens are good only at first glance. Incorrectly set adjustments, unsuitable spare parts, too heavy doors and other “foreign” objects can turn your car not into a means of transportation, but into a real death machine. And what difference will it make to you how your car accelerates if this car gets into a terrible accident? Therefore, before tuning your car, you need to think carefully several times about what exactly should be done and what should be avoided. Don't trust everything they write on the Internet. Consult with experts who really understand these issues. And make only those changes that are truly safe for you and your passengers.
How to install a KIT kit on a VAZ injector?
Even someone who does not have serious car repair skills can install such a compressor on this type of engine. To achieve this goal, you will need a regular tool. Before purchasing any specific KIT kit, it is best to clarify whether it is really suitable for working with the VAZ 2107. To do this, you just need to go to the thematic form on the Internet. In the future, you need to consult directly with the seller. Usually they have complete information that will be useful in the process of installing the KIT kit on a VAZ 2107 injector car. After this, you can begin the work itself. To do this, the compressor is installed on a bracket. It is part of the KIT kit. No additional drilling is required for this, since all the holes are already in the block. In the future, everything should be done according to the instructions. The advantage of KIT kits is the possibility of subsequent modernization. That is, if desired, you can install better injectors, an intercooler, as well as flashing, etc.
It should be noted that different types of kits have different skill requirements for their installation. That is why it is so important, even before purchasing this important part, to familiarize yourself with the amount of work that lies ahead, so as not to encounter additional difficulties.
Naturally, such kits differ very much in cost, as well as in content.
Turbo kit Garret 1752
Turbo kit Garret 1752
Turbines from Garrett are consistently among the favorites among VAZ owners.
Among the circumstances of this:
- sold as a ready-made set, there is no need to assemble individual elements using spare parts at car dismantling yards;
- relatively low price (a new set will cost 30-35 thousand, used ones can be found in the range from 15 to 25 thousand);
- without any special modifications, you can remove the boost from the car to 0.5 bar, increasing power to 120-130 hp. and torque up to 180-200 Nm;
- with additional modifications to the boost system, the boost can be increased to 1 bar, power – up to 170-200 hp, and torque – up to 240 Nm.
The boost kit from Garret is optimal for novice fans of turbo tuning. By setting the boost to 0.5 bar, you can get a good increase in power without reducing the life of the engine. For harsh “rides”, this option is not suitable due to its limitations.
Some nuances to consider after installation
Like any other complex system, a turbocharger has features that are strongly recommended to be taken into account when operating it.
Moreover, a negligent attitude to these requirements can reduce the service life to a minimum and the costs of tuning will never pay off. Here are some highlights:
- It is necessary to monitor the oil and filters. Change it in a timely manner and do not use additives.
- It is advisable to use only oil recommended by the manufacturer.
- Avoid sudden starts with heavy loads.
- Avoid abrupt engine stops under load.
- Avoid idling for long periods of time.
- Tightness.
- Change the air filter promptly.