Previous engine, exhaust, scheduled repair of cylinder head and intake. How will things go together with these trees? A more or less urban one needs it to be more or less below, and water normally up to 7000-7500. Maybe someone is chasing them? how are they? Will it be much better than the exhaust?
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At your request - You should limit yourself to an increase of up to 10 mm and an “advertising” phase of up to 285 degrees PCV. Something like STI-3, Nuzhdin 9.65 (263), OKB Engine 37/42.
Dude, take normal auctions now, including 7 auctions in everyday life 314vp stage 308vp.
1) 13tr? . Well, not 13th! Although if you try, then why not buy a used one (for 5tr)?
2) How are they doing? see engine VSH LADA-GRANTA-SPORT or Kalina2-SPORT. They both have trees like this. Compare the VSX to a previous engine of the same configuration but with stock shafts! Or any other Prior in the city with simple setup.
3) Are you asking about the townspeople? So they're urban...easy to set up. None of the SPORT trees will fall into the urban category! None of Stolnikovsky's camshafts will fall into the URBAN category. Well, maybe an exception can be made for 8.9 Stolnikov. All the other Stolnikov trees are falling, but NOT the CITY one! You have conflicting desires (you are both the crane and the tit. There is only one road. PHASE ROTATION)
4) Everyone who sells SHAFT will write the numbers (talking about phase) in a way that is convenient for their marketing and economic ADVANTAGES. These scenes will be shown to you as they sell best! Or they will write to write.. they have to announce something (they will not write a slogan... "don't ask about the phase.. we don't know the phase").
4) Everyone measures how RIGHT they seem! True from a technical or marketing point of view!
So I tried the Lada Granta shafts. removing them from the KALINA2-SPORT engine. I am publishing what I installed... INLET 9.5 mm phase 293.1 deg (with a distance of 0 mm) phase 255.9 (with a distance of 0.15 mm) phase 241 deg (with a gap of 1.27 mm) 0.05 inches
9.0 mm release phase 294.6 g (at 0 mm) phase 260 g (at 0.15 mm) phase 214.8 g (with a gap of 1.27 mm) 0.05 inches
5) Wait, it’s fashionable to mention the phase according to the American method. with a clearance of 0.05″ Fashionable? Well, here’s the phase at 0.05 “What does this give? Quiche in the head, it does!
Sometimes you may see these messages. “Before the valve opens by 0.1 mm, there is practically no gas flow, so Americans measure from this and that value.) To which I will answer...” The specifications for the 8v engine regulate the valve clearance not 0.25 -0.35 (clearance), but tighten the valve by 0.1 mm... Try to measure yourself with pity. Try starting the engine! After this the quiche will shrink in my head."
A phase with a gap of 0.2-0.3 mm is relevant if you use a shaft for a rigid cup!
The valve opening and closing phase is a value that helps determine the degree of opening and closing progress of the intake and exhaust SHAFT in relation to DVN and YVN/ By knowing the SHAFT profile and knowing the angle of attack, YOU can determine the amount of overlap in metric units (mm), well, if YOU have a tool for measuring in inches, then, in principle, you can also determine by inch! I wrote the previous paragraph correctly, but I think that few people understood something. OK! The point is that YOU “don’t give a damn” at what phase, well, GRANT-SPORT.
The most important thing in a well is to know what the correct overlap in mm will be in the ceiling (at the inlet and outlet). This will allow you to set TRUE. Nothing more is needed. Let's say the tree has an overlap of more than 2.5 mm. It is safe to say that this is no longer a stronghold city. Together with a tuning receiver (usually shortened from the standard one) you will get a filling error within 2-3 tons! This is not good! This is crap for city driving. Not good, it obviously crashes after 5t.rpm! Well, then let's make inactive 5t.ob. if this figure of 5t.r seems brutal to you! There are exceptions (for example, a large engine size) and there will be no filling errors from cheerful trees (there are always exceptions).
6) And most importantly! —- Lada subsidy shafts have an inlet overlap of 1.1-1.65 mm —- 0.65-0.95 mm exhaust overlap
I would not recommend going beyond these boundaries.
PS It was possible to limit your post to point 6. Although the author of the topic did NOT ask about coincidences
On the one hand, at least externally, there are not many differences between these two cars, but on the other hand, this is still a new generation of one of the most popular models of Tolyatti AvtoVAZ. True, it’s more likely not a new generation, but a transformation. Despite the fact that this car is absolutely maligned and not lazy, it still remains the most popular among dealers and their customers. Its main asset is its price. So all the pros and cons. Of course, there are many more advantages, otherwise they would not have bought it.
Racing model? Granta Sport 2022 - review
The characteristics of the first Lada Grants Sport of 2011, at first glance, were not impressive, although “from the very beginning” it was developed only for circuit racing. Under the hood was a 1.6-liter turbocharged 4-cylinder engine with 300 Newton per meter of torque, mated to a 5-speed sequential gearbox. Despite the fact that at that time this engine developed “only” 235 horsepower, the car was among the strongest. Granta Sport endowed with such characteristics and proved itself in such a way that in 2014 the so-called “civilian model” was developed.
As for the appearance of the updated subsidies, in the 2022 modifications the designers “reworked” the configuration of both bumpers, and for their manufacture the designers did not recommend plastic, but fiberglass is now a very popular material, a much more practical and durable material. A small spoiler (especially the factory one) was installed on the trunk lid, the ground clearance was reduced by 20 mm and the shape of the radiator grille was changed. By default, the “sports” bag now includes not only standard “civilian” wheels, but also solid wheels 195/50 R16.
Valve overlap
Valve overlap is the moment when the intake valve and exhaust valve are simultaneously open, that is, the exhaust valve has not yet closed, but the intake valve has already opened. The piston is at TDC at this moment. The simultaneous opening of the valves is necessary for the so-called cylinder purging, when the exhaust gases carry the working mixture with them through the intake valve. (by the way, a tuned exhaust manifold or “spider” can help us here) The amount of overlap is expressed in mm (in a standard timing belt, the overlap is almost 0)
Sporty on the outside and no less sporty on the inside
The gearshift lever and steering wheel are now covered with very high-quality leatherette, a seven-inch touchscreen display has appeared on the console (!), and the front windows are electrically controlled “already in the base.” By the way, the Lada Granta Sport 2022 is comparable in price to a “non-sports” car, but in the “Lux” configuration. However, in the previous generation, the Granta Sport version was never cheap.
Lada Granta Sport 2022 - interior / front
Today's sports "civilian" Grant has a 1.6-liter engine, boosted to 120 horsepower and 160 Nm versus the "previous" 145. This power unit is designed on the basis of a serial engine with the VAZ 21126 index: a very productive engine. Among other things, this version was equipped with braking components from AP-Racing with vented 4-piston 200mm front disc brakes and 135mm rear 2-piston brakes as well as disc brakes.
So-called semi-sports seats with pronounced lateral support are installed here. They have a long cushion, but are also designed with a “sporty style”.
Recommendations
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Based on your wishes - It is worth limiting the rise to 10mm and the “advertising” phase to 285 degrees PKV. Something like STI-3, Nuzhdin 9.65 (263), OKB Engine 37/42.
Friend, take normal shafts right away, I ride STI 7 shafts every day, phase 314vp 308vp.
1) 13tr? ... well, not 13t.u.e! Although if you try, why not buy a used one (for 5tr)?
2) How are they driving? look at the VSKh motor LADA-GRANTA-SPORT or Kalina2-SPORT. Both have such shafts. Compare the VSKh with a Priora motor of the same configuration, but with stock shafts! Or any other city priors with easy tuning.
3) Are you asking for city ones? So they are urban...easy tuning. Not a single SPORT shaft will fall into the urban category! Not a single Stolnikovsky camshaft will fall into the CITY category. Well, perhaps an exception can be made for 8.9 Stolnikov. All the other shafts of Stolnikov are FALLING NON-CITY RAMPS! You have conflicting desires (you have both the crane and the tit... there is only one road. PHASE ROTATION)
4) Everyone who sells SHAFT will write numbers (I’m talking about the phase) that are convenient for them for their marketing and economic BENEFIT. Those. They will tell you the phase so that they sell better! Or they’ll write just to write... they have to announce something (they won’t write a slogan... “don’t ask about the phase... we don’t know the phase”).
4) Everyone measures as it seems TRUE to him! True from the technical side or from the marketing side!
So I tried on the Lada-Grant shafts... taking them out of the KALINA2-SPORT engine. I am publishing what I measured... INTAKE 9.5mm phase 293.1gr (with a gap of 0mm) phase 255.9 (with a gap of 0.15mm) phase 241gr (with a gap of 1.27mm) 0.05 inches
Release 9.0mm phase 294.6g (at 0mm) phase 260g (at 0.15mm) phase 214.8g (at gap 1.27mm) 0.05in
5) Now it’s fashionable to mention the phase according to the American method... with a gap of 0.05″ Is it fashionable? Well, here’s the phase at 0.05″ And what does it give YOU? She gives quiche in her head!
Sometimes you see posts like this. “Before the valve opens at 0.1 mm, there is practically no gas flow, so the Americans measure from such and such a value). To which I will answer you... “YOU, on an 8V engine, adjust the valve clearances not to 0.25 -0.35 (gap), but tighten the valve by 0.1mm. Try measuring your compression. Try starting the engine! After this, the quiche in your head will subside.”
The phase with a gap of 0.2-0.3mm is relevant if YOU are using a shaft for a hard cup!
The phase of the beginning of the opening and the end of the closing of the valve is a value that helps determine the degrees of advance of the opening and closing of the intake and exhaust SHAFT relative to DVN and YVN/ Knowing the profile of the SHAFT and knowing the advance angle, YOU can determine the amount of overlap in metric values (mm), well, if YOU have a measuring tool in inches, then in principle it can be determined for inches too! I wrote the previous paragraph to YOU correctly, but I think that few people understood what it was... and that’s good! The point is that YOU “don’t give a damn” what phase the GRANTA-SPORT shaft has.
Modifications Grants
Another undoubted and invincible asset of this car is its maintainability. Not only and not so much in the “technical” sense, but in the “geographical” sense. Yes, absolutely everything in this car cannot be fixed “on your lap,” because any modern car has on-board electrics and some kind of electronics. But there are so many specialized automotive services on the world map that no matter which way you look, you will find a specialist in VAZ products.
Therefore, probably, among the models (and their modifications), Grant is the leader in the simplest version. And this is absolutely nothing (or almost nothing by today’s standards) of bells and whistles, no “glitchy electronic circuits”, and the engine is the most primitive and simple. In the Standard version, it is a 1.6-liter 8-valve engine with a displacement of 87 horsepower, coupled with a five-speed manual 5MT. In such a car you can drive into the jungle of some Altai / Siberia / Far East and without outside help (in this case) you will not be left. In this configuration, “everything is missing,” which is why other buyers simply “dislike” the modern global auto industry. Is there only one airbag and only for the driver? Than good! Mechanical windows? Organize!
But the ground clearance (even on “poor” 13-inch wheels) is a colossal 165 mm! The trunk is almost 500 liters (more precisely 480 liters). Until recently, even the vaunted Mercedes-Benz S-Class could not boast of a trunk of such volume.
Grants have only 3 changes (three): - Granta sedan, - Granta relaunch, - Granta Sport version,
. but the presence of three engines, as well as three gearboxes, as well as a flexible (and rather long) list of additional options allow the sales manager to offer the buyer several dozen (!) technical characteristics of this car.
It is important for you: - engines: 8 valves with factory indexing VAZ-11186 with a power of 87 hp, plus two 16 valves - VAZ-21126 with 98 hp and one more, this is a VAZ-21127 with a power of 106 hp, plus two forced for Sport version; — there are three gearboxes: manual 5-speed and 2 (two) automatic 4- and 5-speed gearboxes. Now start creating a mix of what's presented, plus an additional multi-page list of options for active and passive safety, for comfort, multimedia and entertainment, and that "immeasurable" list of configurations that allows the seller to let the buying bird escape the net. But why “from the networks”? Sometimes there are queues for the products of the Tolyatti Automobile Plant, and they are completely voluntary. Other buyers are ready to wait for the necessary equipment for several weeks or months or travel to another region/city on their own, sometimes hundreds of kilometers from home.
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The engine installed on the Lada Granta Sport is a serial 16 valve engine from Priora, but with some modifications.
Thus, in the sports version of the engine, camshafts with a modified cam profile are installed, which is reflected in a more complete filling of the cylinders and better purging of exhaust gases. In addition to this, the brains of the ECU were “reflashed”. Also, the intake and exhaust resistances in the engine were reduced, which overall gave an increase in power, and the engine output began to amount to 120 hp. and 154Nm of maximum torque. For comparison, the engine of the Lada Grand sedan is 106 hp and 145 Nm.
The main increase in traction occurs at high engine speeds, and up to 3000 rpm, the engine characteristics essentially remain the same. To pick up the “bottoms,” the engineers modified the gearbox (5-speed manual), where a main pair with a gear ratio of 4.3 was installed (the base had 3.7). This made it possible to accelerate to the first hundred in only 9.5 seconds and raise the maximum speed to 197 km/h in fifth gear (Grand sedan 177 km/h). In this change to the standard series of gear ratios, the fifth gear was almost straight, rather than overdrive, and the fourth turned from direct to intermediate. At the same time, fuel consumption was 7.8 liters per 100 km. Gasoline AI-95.
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Standard equipment for all Grant models:
1. Standard 2. Standard plus 3. Classic 4. Classic start 5. Comfort 6. Optimal comfort 7. Luxury 8. Prestigious luxury
And here is a (not yet complete) list of additional options for the older version called Prestige Luxe, offered by AvtoVAZ:
• ESC system in combination with traction control • an airbag not only for the driver, but also for the front passenger • front seat seat belts with pre-tensioning when hitting an obstacle • three L-shaped headrests for the rear seats (they “know how” to hide flush with backrest and do not interfere with the view from behind) • alarm for unfastened driver's seat belt • rear seat belts - modern three-point • ISOFIX brackets - for installing child seats • Safety bars on all 4 doors • brake discs - ventilated • lift start assist system • muffler made of alloy steel (stainless steel)
And between these two trim levels (Standard and Luxury Prestige) there is a whole range of variety in terms of filling with additional options. Compare the maximum configuration with the Standard configuration, where the car, as other buyers say, is “empty as a drum” and you understand the true width of the “price limit” - from 369 thousand to 594 thousand rubles.
The electrical equipment of the “more advanced” version uses modern so-called Can-bus, which significantly increases the speed and reliability of all vehicle systems. Engine pistons are coated with graphite, which significantly reduces the coefficient of friction when starting a cooled engine. Plus DRL: ultra-modern headlights.
Specification for bodies
But we should talk in more detail about bodies. The sedan body is held in high regard not only by Russians, and for these reasons.
If in relatively hot Europe or the USA, where frosts occur exclusively in the border zone with Canada, you open the trunk of a sedan or station wagon for a minute, nothing special will happen to the temperature in the cabin and the well-being of passengers. And you are trying to open the trunk in a similar body somewhere higher in winter to minus “minimum” 20 degrees Celsius... The interior will cool down even in minutes, and in seconds!
The second reason for our love for sedans is, of course, the constant glance at the prestigious luxury cars of the global automotive industry. Have you noticed that today very few S-Class and even D-Class models are available in hatchback or station wagon bodies.
Enough - sedans! On the other hand, it must be admitted (and almost all car buyers admit this today) that hatchbacks and station wagons are still... a little more practical than sedans. Therefore, AvtoVAZ offers buyers a subsidy for a liftback - it is almost a station wagon and almost a sedan.
From practical experience
Since this car still belongs to the economy segment of the global auto industry, the buyer should be prepared for crickets, squeaks from the sedan and rattling of the shelf that covers the lift-up luggage compartment. If we take all these squeaks and crickets and the generally “traditionally Russian” build quality of the interior, “as the norm”, car owners have practically no special complaints about the body of this car. (the body) is quite strong, well welded and will compete with other cheap foreign cars.
The only recommendation is that if you happen to take a close look at a used Granta, get high-quality diagnostics at a car service center. He got into a car accident? It is difficult to hide traces of body repair from a competent craftsman, and the body is actually the main, supporting, and most importantly, the most expensive part of any car. The exception may be high-performance versions of engines in the luxury and sports car segment, where the price of the engine is sometimes significantly higher than the price of the rest of the car, but this is certainly not the case with the Grant. Here the body is “more important” than the rest of the car.
Granta Sport engine characteristics
The most interesting thing is that a “sports version” is also offered - in different versions. There are two on the official resource: - 1.6 l 16 cl. (106 hp), 5MT - called Drive Active; — 1.6 l 16 cl. (114 hp), 5MT - called Sport, - . however, if you add the options listed above, as well as other "factory options and customization options", you can also end up with a whole set of specifications.
Plug-inless motors again
From the latest news on Grant and AvtoVAZ engines: the plant is going to return to the so-called “contactless” engines, and the restyled Granta will be the first to try out a new line of engines.
What are we talking about? Not only service personnel (they know this thoroughly), but also many car owners are afraid of a situation where the timing belt breaks. At this moment, the pistons “meet” the valves and destructive consequences are inevitable. Up to engine overhaul. The new engines will be equipped with different pistons with a special selection at the bottom... exactly the size of the valve heads, which will avoid those very “critical consequences”. The official supplier of motors for the AvtoVAZ conveyor, Federal Mogul, has already mastered their production and improvements will affect: - 8 VAZ-11186 valves; — 16 VAZ-21126 valves; — 16 VAZ-21127 valves, — ..which are just being installed on cars of the Granta and Kalina families. According to the plant itself, the 106-horsepower VAZ-21129 engine, intended for Vesta and XRAY, should soon receive the same “free” version, but in the future, and with it the new 122-horsepower VAZ-21179 units. (volume 1.8 liters) and VAZ 2190 Sport “will cost” for now.
Synchronizers
They decided to change the gear part a little. Multi-cone synchronizers were installed in first and second gears, which increased the reliability of the unit and reduced the effort when engaging these gears. In the future, the Lada Granta VAZ-2181 box will be installed on cars with more powerful engines, so the diameter of the clutch, which has a larger moment of inertia, has already been increased. On the old manual transmission, the clutch housing accommodated a maximum disc size of 200 mm; the new housing allows the installation of 215 mm discs. These changes forced the developers to change the location of the starter; it is now located along the engine, and not along the box, as before.
Granta Sport camshafts - characteristics
The most popular camshafts are those with the following characteristics: lift camshaft 9.55/9.15, phase camshaft 286/230. They are praised for their "ability" to operate above 7,000 rpm. But as far as “engines in general” are concerned, the most popular question is maintainability and reliability. So all of them (ALL engines) are extremely reliable and virtually stall-free, provided, of course, that they comply with the competent and systematic scheduled maintenance prescribed by the manufacturer. And when purchasing a used grant, we recommend that diagnostics be carried out exclusively by the company’s service department, or, in extreme cases, at an AvtoVAZ-certified enterprise.
As far as changes go, all three changes went through without any problems. The 5-speed manual is a domestic development of VAZ, and 4- and 5-speed automatic cars “came” to AvtoVAZ together with the Renault-Nissan alliance and are also considered by professionals to be the standard of the global automotive industry. In particular, these boxes are found on most Renault models, from Logan to Laguna, and in the Nissan line this is almost the entire range of passenger models from Mikra to Almera.
Grants Sport has no direct competitors. For example, among the “civilian” ones one can name FAW, Geely and some other “small” “Chinese” ones, but they do not reach the price (and quality) of the nearest high-quality Renault Logan or (even Russian) Nissan Gli. Almera is already playing in a completely different league.
Benefits of using modified camshafts
Installing a tuning shaft will help, by reconfiguring the valves, supply the required amount of combustible mixture to the internal combustion engine. The modified cams of the sports shaft are characterized by smooth profiles. All this allows the gas distribution mechanism to operate more reliably.
A distinctive feature of sports shafts can be considered the ability to push back the detonation limit, especially when working at lower crankshaft frequencies. Currently, you can find sports camshafts on VAZs, which are used for driving on different types of roads.
In particular, they are divided as follows:
- Instant low camshaft, which behaves best when driving on city highways;
- Universal type, intended for use of the car both in the city and on the highway;
- A riding shaft that performs best when traveling on country roads.
If you select a camshaft for an internal combustion engine with the possibility of lower valve lift, this will allow you to achieve good results at lower crankshaft frequencies. Choosing a camshaft with a higher cam lift will help increase engine performance at higher frequencies. The shafts currently produced make it possible to change the indicators of both torque and power of the power unit either in the area of lower or higher speeds.
Video – 2018 Lada Granta Sport POV Test Drive
Dimensions
Chassis
Fuel
Engine
The larger the engine displacement, the more powerful the car and, as a rule, larger. There is no point in installing a small cubic engine on a large car, the engine simply cannot handle its weight, and the opposite is also pointless: installing a large engine on a light car. Therefore, manufacturers are trying to find an engine for the price of a car. The more expensive and more prestigious the model, the larger and more powerful the engine. Economical versions rarely boast a displacement of more than two liters.
Engine displacement is expressed in cubic centimeters or liters. Who is cheaper?
The engine capacity of the Lada Granta Sport is 1.6 liters.
Engine power of Lada Granta Sport is from 106 to 118 hp.
Comparison of gearbox models 2180 and 2181
In fact, the difference in these models is significant:
- For the functionality of the second model, a cable developed by Atsumitec is used. The vibration level of the second model is lower due to the cable structure;
- special synchronizers are installed in first and second gears to increase service life;
- since the diameter of the clutch of model 2181 is increased by 21.5 centimeters, a different crankcase is installed in the gearbox, and the starter is placed not along the box, but along the engine;
- the speed selection mechanism is completely new, developed by Schaeffler;
- shifting gears in cold weather is much easier, and the level of vibration on the switch is much less;
- The design of the gearbox provides for a lock in case of accidental switching to reverse gear;
- as mentioned above, the oil volume was reduced from 3.10 to 2.25 liters;
- Semi-synthetics are poured into the new gearbox, and not, as before, simple mineral water.
