What to do if the battery is boiling
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Actions need to be taken depending on what caused the electrolyte to boil. If this is recharging the battery on a car, then the voltage regulator or generator should be adjusted. You will have to contact a car electrician for this. Voltage regulators are mechanical, electromechanical and electronic. Depending on what type of car you have, specialists will replace or adjust it.
Generator breakdowns usually come down to burnout of diodes and wear of brushes. Depending on the breakdown and condition of the generator, it is either restored or replaced. During operation, it is worth periodically checking the voltage supplied by the generator.
Not everyone knows why a car battery boils. Novice car enthusiasts have sometimes never even heard of this phenomenon. Meanwhile, the consequences are often quite serious and unpleasant.
Each technological process must fit within a certain regulatory framework. And if the battery starts to “boil”, then this is a reason to think about whether everything is okay with it and what the danger is.
In the article we will consider the phenomenon that is popularly called “battery boiling”. The expression “the radiator has boiled” is more common. It turns out that both can boil.
Basic faults
The device is quite reliable and should work for a long time, but some components can fail for various reasons. Faults may be mechanical or electrical in nature.
The main possible breakdown may be a broken drive belt. In this case, rotation from the crankshaft will not be transmitted to the rotor. The battery takes on the entire load and begins to discharge. This will be shown by a warning lamp in the car's interior. To avoid belt breakage, you need to periodically check its condition and tension.
Simple wear on the graphite brushes can also occur. In this case, the entire brush assembly must be replaced.
Every driver needs to know the structure and operating principle of a car generator. This will help avoid many problems that may arise with the device. It is necessary to regularly monitor the generator components. Check the tension and condition of the drive belt, device fastening, voltage, etc. With proper use, the device will serve well for many years.
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Many motorists have encountered the concept of low voltage in the network. The culprit of the situation was the generator, which produced an insufficient amount of current. Is there any way to increase the voltage produced by the unit? How to increase the power of the generator without damaging the circuit and the overall system.
Diode introduction
Observe polarity. There is no crime here, it’s just that if the polarity is not observed, charging will not happen. The diode must be designed for a current of at least 5 A. By the way, it will get very hot, so it is better to install it on a radiator. What should you consider when selecting the type of diode? Voltage drop on diodes: germanium - 0.3...0.7 V, silicon - 0.8...1.2 V. I.e. This is the voltage by which your on-board network will increase. Therefore, by selection we can achieve the “right” voltage in our network.”
What determines the shelf life of a battery?
Each manufacturer, after manufacturing a battery, sets a warranty period for its operation.
In addition to this parameter, there is an actual period that depends on many factors - timeliness of maintenance, compliance with operating rules, condition of electrical wiring and other points.
Due to the fact that battery maintenance conditions differ, the shelf life of the product also differs.
Car owners who use their car only in the warm season have the longest battery life. It's another matter when you need a car all year round, regardless of the outside temperature.
In such a situation, the battery life is reduced. This is also due to the fact that in the second case the driver can cover more kilometers.
The battery life is also affected by:
- Serviceability and correct operation of the generator and voltage regulator.
- Connecting additional equipment with a large rated current to the vehicle's electrical wiring.
- Operating mode. The batteries that last the least are those in taxis that travel a long distance throughout the year. In addition, such cars operate in frequent engine starting mode, which puts a load on the battery and generator. If the vehicle is actively used, the service life of the power source does not exceed 1.5 years.
Under normal operating conditions, when the car owner regularly checks the battery and carries out maintenance, the battery life is 4-5 years with a total mileage of 60-80 thousand kilometers during this period.
To avoid problems, it is advisable to periodically check the voltage of the generator and battery.
But the mentioned service life is not the highest, because with careful maintenance the battery can last up to eight years.
But you should know that sooner or later the battery will need to be replaced, because from the moment you start using it, the working plates gradually wear out. The more charge and discharge cycles a battery goes through, the faster it breaks down.
Practice shows that the key role is played by the generator, its serviceability and current voltage
That is why this aspect needs to be given key attention
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Maybe I can take a look at the disassembly and weld fish soup from my own?
For what? this bolt into bolt, practically. minimum modifications
This bolt to bolt and $300. And a Mercedes ruble will become three rubles and a ruble for your ears.
I don’t argue that this option is cheaper and partly good, but when you install Merc’s at 250A, then we’ll talk more constructively. First, read how these generators differ from conventional automobile ones.
Well, what? What they give out like crazy, so what? It's very individual. For some it’s music, for others... what else besides music can eat so much?! The whole problem with Zafira and Astra is that there is a glitch when it drains the entire battery overnight. Where it costs 120 a/h, there is almost no such problem.
the fact that it gives almost 200a. If your battery is being drained, look for where it is leaking. Maybe go through the integral, which only means that the gene needs to be repaired. The leakage current does not depend on the generator power.
So I changed the integral and still the same. I'm wondering why the generator says 14V and 100amp? And so I think the sun sucks.
not everything is so simple, I say again that before you say that DC will light a cigarette, you should read what their design differences are.
Well, this is already too much. I think 150 would be enough.
For my tasks this is not enough, 300 would be normal. Simple arithmetic 250 * 14.7 (on-board voltage) = 3675 watts, the amplifier is 8 kilowatts, on a daily basis it consumes about 5 kilos in centimeters. So draw your own conclusion. This generator was installed not to replace the standard one for the sake of simple operation of the amplifier, but to enable the normal functioning of a very powerful speaker. Plus participation in various competitions
So stick an additional one in place of the air conditioner. And that's the end of it.
Then I won’t be able to get into classes)) there are too many nuances
Hello. and if there are two batteries, one under the hood for 70 amps, , , and the other in the luggage for 70 amps, it will be normal or something will catch fire
Hey, it's no big deal. At first I drove with a stock gene and two 90 batteries and everything was fine. What batteries will there be?
As you know, additional equipment is often installed on a car, which draws additional voltage from the on-board network. Thus, the voltage indicator on a VAZ-2114 can drop to a critical level of 11 volts . If you also install additional air conditioning or heated seats, this may result in the starter not having enough power to start the engine. How to fix the problem? Make sure that the voltage in the on-board network increases.
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Video about increasing the voltage in the on-board network on VAZ cars:
The video will tell you how to increase the voltage of the generator and on-board network with your own hands, and will also tell you about some of the nuances and subtleties of the process
Repairing a generator - VAZ features
To check the car's power supply, you need to take measurements at the battery terminals. To do this, you need to start the car and let it run for a few minutes. After this, take readings with a terminal tester. Next, turn on all possible car devices, dimensions, tape recorder, heating and repeat the measurements. With a properly functioning voltage generator, as well as its regulator, the average voltage in the network should be 12–13 Volts.
The most normal voltage in a VAZ 2109 car is 14.1 Volts. If your readings are more or less than the acceptable average, then you need to start repairing your generator. First of all, you need to check the ground on the generator block. It often happens that it oxidizes under the influence of moisture. Because of this, it may not carry enough current to the vehicle. This terminal is located on the generator block; it needs to be cleaned and lubricated.
Another reason for a lack of vehicle current is a sufficiently worn or loose alternator belt. Using a belt, the generator is driven by the operation of the car engine. If the belt is not tensioned enough, it will slip while driving. Thus, the car generator will not perform the required number of revolutions, and accordingly, the required amount of current will not flow.
If the generator does not produce enough voltage, the battery is not fully charged, which significantly affects its service life. To fix the problem you need to replace the belt or tighten it
It is very important not to overtighten it, as during movement it will stretch much faster or may even burst. You should not buy belts of dubious production - a low-quality belt wears out very quickly, dries out and stretches.
Features of a car generator
After turning the ignition key, current flows into the field winding. Here it is controlled by a voltage stabilizer, which is powered by the rectifier section.
A car generator produces alternating current, which, after rectification by a diode bridge, becomes constant. Thus, such a unit belongs to the group of DC valve generators.
Its distinctive feature is maintaining voltage within a narrow range of values. A special regulator, which is popularly called “tablet”, “chocolate”, “brushes”, is responsible for the voltage of the generator.
These devices increase the voltage to 13.6 Volts.
Today they are connected according to two main schemes. The older version is reliable, works stably, maintaining voltage at approximately a constant level. The updated scheme has many disadvantages.
The uniqueness of the automobile unit is that it generates electricity by converting the mechanical energy of the rotating engine crankshaft, which is connected to the generator pulley by a belt. At the same time, the engine speed is not a constant value.
Thus, the main task of this electrical unit is to charge the battery and supply all car consumers with stabilized voltage.
In this case, regardless of engine speed, the voltage should always remain within approximately 14 Volts. Otherwise, it will negatively affect both the battery and the electrical circuit. Overcharging and undercharging will have a detrimental effect on the battery.
The best way to increase tension with your own hands
How to increase the voltage of the VAZ 2114 generator? There is one option that can be called the simplest. Its main disadvantage is its high cost. In particular, you will have to part with a large sum of money just to purchase a generator with increased power.
You will also have to purchase and replace the battery. It should be more capacitive. Otherwise, a voltage problem may occur. As a result, this will cause the complete destruction of the internal cells.
Additional Information. Despite the effectiveness of this method, it is very expensive, so it is unlikely to be suitable for most car owners.
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We increase the voltage - all options for solving the problem
Voltage in the on-board network after modification
So, many motorists may decide that the way out of this situation is to install a high-power generator, but at the same time they will have to replace the battery with a more capacitive one. This is done in order not to “kill” the battery that is installed on the car, since a voltage overload will lead to the destruction of the internal cells. This option is not suitable because it is too expensive.
The second option is to install an additional diode from another diode bridge or marked KD202V. This is much cheaper than changing the generator and battery, but you will have to tinker a little. To begin with, it is recommended to study automobile electrical circuits and the operation of the generator, as well as the charging circuit.
Installing the KD202V diode into the generator
When everything is ready, we proceed directly to installing the diode in the generator to increase the voltage in the on-board network. Let's consider the sequence of actions:
- Remove the back cover of the generator.
Remove the back cover from the generator
Wires and diode to increase voltage
Installing heat shrink for male and female wires
Installed heat shrink for the soldered part
We install a voltage regulator with a diode in the generator
We put the back cover on the generator and take out the wires
Electrical diagrams and indicators
To increase the voltage even more, at least to 14 volts, it is necessary to install a diode in circuit D, the voltage regulator. Any diode with a breakdown voltage of 20V and a current of at least 5A is suitable. The voltage drop is preferably no more than 0.6-0.7V. The 2D219B diode is excellent.
“The generator on my VAZ-2109 often malfunctioned; once, even because of its breakdown, I spent the night on the highway. I could have simply replaced the generator with a new one and the problem would have been solved, but then I was advised to install a “ten” generator instead of the standard one, although I would have to modify it a little.
I didn't get a new generator at all. The owner of the “Ten”, who removed it, immediately told me that while driving, his pulley jammed and the belt broke. I disassembled the generator and immediately saw the cause of the malfunction - scattered bearings. I bought new ones and changed them.
As for modifications, I decided to increase its current from 80 to 90 A, plus I installed a regulator designed for 14.5 V.
So let's get to work. In order to increase the current to 90 A, I pulled out the generator winding and connected an additional terminal to the diode bridge. By the way, I replaced the diode bridge and installed an eight-diode bridge instead of the standard one, since the latter has greater performance. After assembling the generator, I took it to a car service center so that it could be checked on a stand. We checked and it turned out that the generator was not charging. I rang the tester on the bridge - a couple of diodes were not working. I went to the store, replaced the diode bridge, checked it again, this time everything was fine, everything worked.
Now regarding the regulator. I bought two of them: one Russian for 14 V, the other German for 14.5 V. After assembly, I did not check the generator, because I did everything correctly and there should be no problems with it.
Regarding the fastening. Here you need to purchase a lower bracket 21082, an upper bar together with a tensioner 2115, a bolt for the lower fastening and a screw for the upper fastening. Plus, we buy a belt and a generator pulley. Installed, checked - there is charging, everything is in order.
I didn’t have any more problems with the generator, and this is very pleasing, because, frankly, I suffered enough with the old generator, this should not happen again.”
Diode in the circuit
Installing a diode with a toggle switch is the easiest way to increase the voltage. There is no need to bother, look for a lot of information in books, etc. Everything is as accessible as possible, no special difficulties.
This option of increasing the voltage, despite its simplicity, gives the most reliable result. Ideally suited for domestic and VAZ car models.
The purpose of this method of increasing the voltage in the vehicle's on-board network is to deceive the regulator, which is located inside the generator. As you know, on old domestic car models (kopek, VAZ 2105, etc.) the voltage drop sometimes reaches critical values - sometimes it drops to 12.5 volts. The battery, of course, will not be charged at this voltage.
A voltage regulator is the same brushes, a tablet, a chocolate bar - there are many names, but it is the same element that is responsible for regulating the voltage in the generator. On our domestic cars, mostly older ones, the tablets are of poor quality. They do not regulate voltage well, and as mentioned above, sometimes the current value drops below the baseboard.
So, what you need to do is insert an additional diode into the circuit. By this we will achieve the following: by how much the voltage on the diode is reduced, the regulator will increase the total current in the circuit.
There are several ways to integrate a diode. One of the best - remotely. Take a simple toggle switch and install it somewhere convenient.
Obviously, the toggle switch should be routed through the wire to the generator. You can insert the diode into the slot in the generator bridge, in the place where the wiring runs from the excitation winding to the regulator. That is, we simply insert the diode into the wiring between the bridge and the regulator.
We connect a separate toggle switch to the diode through two wires, as shown in the photo below.
When the voltage in the on-board network is sufficient, for example, in the summer, the diode is simply installed and not used. If the current is low, just turn on the toggle switch by activating the diode. In this way, we deceive the regulator.
The following diodes can be used.
Their analogues, for example, imported ones, are also suitable. They are much more compact, made of plastic (body). Domestic - metal.
Using a diode, you can provide a voltage drop of 0.9 or 1.2 volts. Thus, if the drawdown reaches 13-13.6, then approximately 1 volt will be added by the regulator. This is normal for winter loads. The standard drawdown of the regulator should be up to 13.8 volts, not lower. At this value, the battery can still charge, but if the voltage is lower, it won’t.
A drop in voltage below standard values for modern calcium batteries is especially critical. The fact is that low drawdown kills such batteries; they deteriorate. Naturally, an increased voltage indicator is not recommended. It should be no more than 14.6 volts (more about this in the table at the end of the article).
Installing a diode in a circuit is a universal solution that gives good results. However, there are some important points to keep in mind:
- Observe polarity when connecting an additional diode. If you break this rule, the battery will not be charged.
- The diode must be selected so as to deliver a current of at least 5 A.
- It is advisable to install the diode outside the generator, as it will get very hot.
- Silicon diodes are considered more efficient. They are capable of taking voltage within 0.8-1.2. But germanium diodes are no more than 0.7 volts.
Description of the procedure for checking the functionality of the voltage regulator
In the event that a malfunction is nevertheless detected in the specified relay, the vehicle’s maintenance manual clearly describes the procedure for identifying a breakdown. It’s worth noting right away that the main advantage of the 2109 model is the fuel injector. This significantly improves the machine's performance. And the injector is directly connected to a computer, which constantly monitors the quality of work and the condition of the injector itself. If this component fails, then the injector also fails.
The failure in question is accompanied by such problems as:
- increased fuel consumption while reducing vehicle traction;
- dim light from the parking lights, turn signals and instrument panel in the cabin.
If these breakdowns occur, then it is necessary to replace the generator current regulator relay. We will describe the correct procedure for checking the voltage regulator of a VAZ 2109 generator. If you have a car model with the described part installed, then:
- you need to take a voltmeter;
- start the car engine and set the speed to 1500-2000 per minute;
- turn on the low beam headlights;
- measure the voltage at the battery terminals.
In this case, the result of the measurement in the range of 13.5-14.2 Volts is considered normal. If the indicator deviates in one direction or another, we can confidently say that the VAZ 2109 voltage regulator is faulty. The generator voltage regulator cannot be repaired, and it simply needs to be replaced.
But there is another important point that needs to be recalled. You need to make sure that the malfunction of the electrical system lies precisely in the fact that the regulator relay has failed, but not the dashboard warning lamp. This is due to the fact that power is supplied to the excitation winding of the generator from it and, if the lamp burns out, power is no longer supplied to the winding and the generator will not work.
The same diagnostics is possible for the VAZ 2108.
Diagnostics of the functionality of the voltage regulator on a removed generator
Modern industry produces voltage regulators in the same housing with brushes. This makes the design more compact and at the same time more reliable.
To carry out the diagnostic procedure, it is necessary to connect power to the ground terminals from an external power source. Even a pair of one and a half volt batteries can serve as this source. Additionally, a low-power lamp with a power of no more than 3 Watts is connected to the circuit. All links of the chain are connected by wires.
If the lamp does not light up, or lights up when any power is supplied, then this indicates a malfunction of the VAZ 2109 generator relay. If the lamp does not light up at all, then there is a break in the wires of the generator brushes. In both cases, replacement of the damaged circuit assembly is required.
Note that a similar procedure for diagnosing a fault in the VAZ 2109 voltage relay is also used on some other VAZ models. For example, a similar procedure for the VAZ 2108.
Instead of a conclusion
We did not describe the procedure for replacing a generator or regulator relay because in the first case there is separate information with a complete step-by-step description of all actions, and in the second, the procedure is very simple and does not cause difficulties even for novice motorists.
All that remains is to wish fewer car breakdowns and successful, accident-free driving on the highways!