Automotive journalists were probably among the first to track 15,000 kilometers on the new Lada Vesta sedan model - this is the mark for the first maintenance of the model. In this article we will talk about how the maintenance was carried out at 15 thousand kilometers of the Lada Vesta sedan.
Automotive journalists used the editorial purchased Lada Vesta not only in Russia, but also in Kazakhstan. And it so happened that a run of 15,000 kilometers found them precisely on the territory of Kazakhstan. Therefore, the Lada Vesta sedan underwent maintenance at a company service station of one of the official dealers of the Lada brand in Kazakhstan. It’s worth mentioning right away that the first maintenance for the Lada Vesta cost them 3,937 rubles in equivalent.
First maintenance of Lada Vesta
What kind of work does the first maintenance for the Lada Vesta sedan consist of? This includes replacing the oil, air and cabin filters, changing the engine oil, checking the condition of the brake pads, as well as diagnosing the engine control unit using a special scanner. At the official service station of the Lada brand in Kazakhstan, German synthetic oil Rowe 5W40 was poured into the Lada Vesta of automotive journalists. It was chosen because it is officially supplied to the car showrooms of this dealer network in Kazakhstan. The Lada Vesta engine control unit was checked for errors using a special scanner, which had an interface similar to the Windows 8 operating system. This equipment is certified for the Lada Vesta model car. According to specialists from the official Lada service station in Kazakhstan, this device costs about 300,000 rubles. Fortunately, this device did not show errors in the Lada Vesta engine control unit.
This is what the error scanner looks like for the Lada Vesta engine control unit.
When lifting the Lada Vesta car onto a lift, it was immediately discovered that the winter tires of the Nokian Nordman 5 model had lost quite a lot of studs in the conditions of winter Russian roads.
Solution options
In fact, there are several of them.
Contacting the dealership
In the event of a visit to the dealer, there is, as a rule, no clear solution to the issue of knocking from under the hood of the Lada Vesta. It all depends on the specific salon. Some centers simply refuse to replace them, citing the fact that this is not a warranty case. Others sent information about the defect directly to AvtoVAZ, but this is a rather lengthy procedure, and therefore not everyone agrees to wait that long. And the answer is not always positive.
Many dealers refuse to replace the airbag under warranty.
But even if the dealer agrees to make a replacement, things don’t always go smoothly. The fact is that often a part is replaced with a similar one, although managers in the salon assure that it is already from a different batch. The result is the same - literally after a few thousand kilometers the sound returns.
However, some owners note that they had reinforced supports installed, after which the problem disappeared.
Independent actions
Do-it-yourself Lada Vesta engine mount replacement
Some car owners who have encountered a knocking noise from under the hood of their Lada Vesta decide to replace the support themselves, so as not to waste time traveling to the dealer and waiting for AvtoVAZ’s decision.
Sometimes you have to change the support yourself
The process itself is not too complicated and we will look at it in a separate article. However, in this case it all depends on the part purchased.
Sometimes the source of knocking under the hood of a Lada Vesta is not the support itself, but the bolt that secures it. Moreover, according to some owners, if you simply tighten it, the knock will soon be heard again. In this case, you have to add a grower.
Identifying the cause of knocking from the front suspension of Lada Vesta
After 15,000 kilometers, a knock began in the front suspension of the Lada Vesta. Mechanics from an official service station in Kazakhstan were able to identify the cause of this knocking noise. It turned out that the right ball joint was loose. This case of breakdown is covered by warranty. However, the ball joint does not change separately; all the suspension arms that are supplied with the ball joint are replaced with it. It is worth noting that in almost the majority of new car models in the world with a McPherson front suspension, the ball joint is assembled with all the levers. Fortunately, a copy of the right ball joint was found in the warehouse of the official service station. It turns out that this spare part is required so that the dealer can service Lada Vesta cars.
When replacing the right ball joint of the front suspension of a Lada Vesta, it turned out that for this task it was necessary to remove the right side member of the subframe. This is necessary to remove the bolt securing the front silent block of the lever. Then, when installing a new ball joint, the front silent block of the lever did not want to be installed in its place. The problem was solved by unscrewing the hub nut and disconnecting the axle shaft. After this, the shock absorber strut was released, which made it possible to move the lever into its mounting location. Later it turned out that instructions for replacing the ball joint of the front suspension are given in the general operating instructions for the Lada Vesta from AvtoVAZ. It’s just that for the servicemen of the Kazakh Lada service station, the Lada Vesta sedan was the first in which the first maintenance was carried out and the ball joint was replaced.
Defects of Lada
Lada Vesta has recently rolled off the assembly line and not all warranty workshops have experience in solving problems on how to eliminate knocking noises that occur in the suspension. The manufacturer constantly maintains contact with the service station and makes changes to the design. Let's consider possible malfunctions and methods for eliminating them in the front suspension of the Lada.
Car enthusiasts may be disappointed by a new car almost immediately. An unpleasant creaking and knocking sound appears when passing speed bumps. Upon analysis, it turned out that the problem was in the stabilizer bar bushings.
It is not recommended to lubricate them with grease; they will stop squeaking, but for a very short period of time, so they only need to be changed. They can be replaced with polyurethane ones from Niva Chevrolet. The bushing has catalog number 17012680. After replacement, the squeaking sound disappears.
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You should know that these are not all problems; a characteristic knocking sound may occur from the front right.
This is typical when there is increased play in the right ball joint. Replacement is carried out together with the suspension arms assemblies. AvtoVAZ supplies them complete with a ball joint.
Front suspension of the Lada Vesta The main defects that occur in the front part of the Vesta car, which may cause the car to creak or rattle:
- Grinding noise in the anti-roll bar;
- The right ball joint is faulty, it starts knocking;
- The stabilizer links begin to rattle.
It is recommended that all these defects be repaired at AvtoVAZ dealerships.
When driving on an uneven road, you hear a dull knock on small bumps or a sound reminiscent of rubber friction. This problem can be eliminated by lubricating the Vesta muffler mounting with grease. Vesta's front suspension creaking may be due to worn struts.
To eliminate the defect, you just need to replace them with new ones, the problems with the suspension will be solved.
Problem with the Lada Vesta stabilizer link
After the warranty replacement of the front suspension ball joint on the Lada Vesta sedan, we were sent to a four-point lift to adjust the camber and toe angles. On this lift, the suspension and wheels are supported by the weight of the vehicle. As a result, service technicians were able to determine the second cause of the knocking noise in the front suspension. The left stabilizer link had play. A similar problem with the front suspension of the Lada Vesta car is very popular, so it can be attributed to a factory defect. There have already been a lot of videos on the Internet from owners of the Lada Vesta sedan who have experienced play in the stabilizer link. Automotive journalists hoped that the Kazakh official Lada service station would immediately replace the left stabilizer bar under warranty. However, it turned out that this spare part is not included in the mandatory supply kits of spare parts to the warehouses of official dealers. It had to be ordered and waited. And since automotive journalists were in a hurry to return to Russia, they did not do this.
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Right from the cabin there is a knocking noise from the left front on small bumps. Made an appointment for 21.06. Stub racks with plastic at the back. I'll post later.
I visited the dealer today and they told me to pick it up in 15. They said that the subframe would not last. As I drove out of the gate I heard the same knock. I went for a ride with an engineer. He does not hear anything, and if there is anything, then this is normal operation of the suspension. Bitches. I went into the store and talked to the senior salesman. We got into the test car again for a ride. Same thing, dull knock on the right. He hears. He says that all the cars are Crosses, that he drove from a car transporter, they all make noise. The road behind them is really bad. Doesn't know how to treat. This knock gets me. One installed spacers on the drive and supposedly everything went well, the other writes that he talked to him and nothing happened. But the guy also suffered https://www.drive2.com/r/lada/488171069178380367/.
Last edited by katruk; 06/21/2018 at 21:29 .
I don’t know what can be said about this problem, of course it exists, since they write about it, but yesterday I drove 12 km along such a gear crusher that my palms lost sensitivity after just a couple of kilometers, but I didn’t hear any special knocks, Before that, I periodically drove along this road in a Volkswagen Passat and Mitsubishi Outlander. The Passat walked along it without any particular complaints, but the Outlander with its stiff, stool-like suspension mumbled much more loudly.. We also have “special” tram rails, I think any driver from Nsk knows this place)) But there’s nothing on them either I don't hear the military man
Any knocking noise in the car while driving is not only an irritating factor, but also a possible consequence of a malfunction that can have serious consequences. Especially the clatter of the front suspension, which includes the steering system, the most effective front brakes and is loaded with the weight of the engine.
Problem
As sad as it is to realize, West owners are not spared this problem either. Many owners notice knocking noises under the hood of the Lada Vesta, and they come from the right side.
As a rule, you don’t have to search for long, since the situation is well known. It appears on sedans that were equipped with engine mounts from the VAZ 21129. As a result, a whole cacophony of sounds began to be heard from the engine compartment, including knocks, clicks, squeaks, etc. Moreover, these sounds are so loud that they can be heard even in the cabin.
The knock from the support is quite loud
And the best confirmation of this is numerous videos in which owners of the domestic model demonstrate trouble.
And in this video you can hear knocks directly inside the car.
In addition, some owners began to “dig deeper” and found out that a similar situation occurs not only on Vesta, but also on other models of the Renault-Nissan Alliance. In particular, on the Nissan Qashqai. This is also confirmed in the video.
As for the Lada X-Ray, the hatchback has not noticed such a problem, even though its engines are the same as those on the sedan. The whole point is that X-Ray is equipped with different supports for the power unit.
Loose wheel bolts
The situation when the fastening bolts of one or several wheels have become loose is typical not only for Lada Vesta, but occurs frequently. There can be many reasons - from inattention during tire fitting to an unsuccessful attempt to steal a wheel.
If a knocking sound occurs while driving, the first step is to perform the most accessible action - stop the car and check the tightness of the wheel bolts, since a tire that falls off while turning can cause the car to roll over with unpredictable consequences. In this case, diagnostics is inseparable from troubleshooting.
After tightening the bolts or making sure that the reason for the knocking is not their tightening, you can continue driving. If the problem is not solved, you should not put off diagnosis for a long time. In order not to aggravate the situation when one malfunction causes another, it is strongly recommended to contact an authorized dealer as soon as possible for qualified diagnosis and elimination of the causes of knocking or other abnormal suspension noises performed on a car raised by a lift.
Independent repair of a car before the expiration of the warranty period may be classified by the dealer as a violation of contractual obligations by the consumer and become grounds for premature termination of warranty service.
Solution options
In fact, there are several of them.
Contacting the dealership
In the event of a visit to the dealer, there is, as a rule, no clear solution to the issue of knocking from under the hood of the Lada Vesta. It all depends on the specific salon. Some centers simply refuse to replace them, citing the fact that this is not a warranty case. Others sent information about the defect directly to AvtoVAZ, but this is a rather lengthy procedure, and therefore not everyone agrees to wait that long. And the answer is not always positive.
Many dealers refuse to replace the airbag under warranty.
But even if the dealer agrees to make a replacement, things don’t always go smoothly. The fact is that often a part is replaced with a similar one, although managers in the salon assure that it is already from a different batch. The result is the same - literally after a few thousand kilometers the sound returns.
However, some owners note that they had reinforced supports installed, after which the problem disappeared.
Independent actions
Do-it-yourself Lada Vesta engine mount replacement
Some car owners who have encountered a knocking noise from under the hood of their Lada Vesta decide to replace the support themselves, so as not to waste time traveling to the dealer and waiting for AvtoVAZ’s decision.
Sometimes you have to change the support yourself
The process itself is not too complicated and we will look at it in a separate article. However, in this case it all depends on the part purchased.
Sometimes the source of knocking under the hood of a Lada Vesta is not the support itself, but the bolt that secures it. Moreover, according to some owners, if you simply tighten it, the knock will soon be heard again. In this case, you have to add a grower.
Using Lubricant
As practice and numerous attempts to solve the problem have shown, getting rid of the knocking noise under the hood of the Lada Vesta is quite simple. It is necessary to lubricate the support itself with silicone grease - directly in those areas where the rubber of the support comes into contact with the metal. Some people use WD-40 liquid for this, but it is not recommended to use it, as it washes out too quickly - it lasts literally for a day.
Wear of stabilizer bushings
If, when driving over a speed bump, a dull knock or squeak is heard from the front, there is a high probability that the reason for this is premature wear, due to the poor quality of the material, of the standard anti-roll bar bushings of the Lada Vesta - a malfunction typical of the VAZ sedan. In this case, other signs corresponding to the assumption should be present:
- knocking of the chassis when the car rolls while moving;
- beating in the steering wheel when driving on a flat surface at speeds above 60 km/h;
- increased play in the steering mechanism during intensive maneuvering;
- involuntary deviation of the car from straight-line movement.
The final conclusion will be made by inspecting the car on a car lift - if the bushings are swollen, have lost their geometry and elasticity, then they need to be replaced.
Wear of stabilizer link joints
When diagnosing stabilizer bushings, as a rule, all elements of the front suspension are inspected and, first of all, the vertical struts of the anti-roll bar (article no. 8450006750), which also often fail in Lada Vesta.
Lada Vesta produces standard stabilizer bars. These parts are of fairly high quality, but they also have their own resource, which depends on many factors. The degree of wear of the vertical struts is determined by the presence of play in their hinges - if the struts knock when the stabilizer is suddenly manually moved, they need to be replaced. Knowing the length of the struts (283 mm), you can select even better parts for replacement, for example, from Toyota or Hyundai.
- socket wrench “16” - unscrewing the nut;
- Torx key 30 – pin locking.
Production of replacement racks
The work is carried out on a car lift. Replacing parts with new ones is not difficult: fix the finger with one key, and unscrew the nut with the second.
Problem
As sad as it is to realize, West owners are not spared this problem either. Many owners notice knocking noises under the hood of the Lada Vesta, and they come from the right side.
As a rule, you don’t have to search for long, since the situation is well known. It appears on sedans that were equipped with engine mounts from the VAZ 21129. As a result, a whole cacophony of sounds began to be heard from the engine compartment, including knocks, clicks, squeaks, etc. Moreover, these sounds are so loud that they can be heard even in the cabin.
The knock from the support is quite loud
And the best confirmation of this is numerous videos in which owners of the domestic model demonstrate trouble.
And in this video you can hear knocks directly inside the car.
In addition, some owners began to “dig deeper” and found out that a similar situation occurs not only on Vesta, but also on other models of the Renault-Nissan Alliance. In particular, on the Nissan Qashqai. This is also confirmed in the video.
As for the Lada X-Ray, the hatchback has not noticed such a problem, even though its engines are the same as those on the sedan. The whole point is that X-Ray is equipped with different supports for the power unit.
Other possible causes of knocking from the front suspension of Lada Vesta
The causes of knocking or creaking from the front suspension, characteristic of the Lada Vesta, were listed above. But, besides them, there are a number of malfunctions that are common to all brands of cars, but appear after different mileage. This is wear of ball joints, silent blocks, steering rods, failure of shock absorbers, play in CV joints.
The elimination of these problems is carried out not in a recommendatory, but in a mandatory manner, because knocking and crunching in the front suspension of the Lada Vesta are only in the last place factors of discomfort; first of all, it is a consequence of malfunctions, a delay in eliminating which can have tragic consequences.
Problems with the Lada Vesta suspension: creaks, noises, knocks
The time that has passed since the first Lada Vesta rolled off the AvtoVAZ assembly line was quite enough for the owners to leave objective reviews about this car. In particular, readers are interested in the reliability and maintainability of the front and rear suspension.
Vesta's handling has truly become a legend. Even many skeptics were forced to admit the fact that the domestic auto industry had finally presented a model capable of competing with budget versions of German and Korean manufacturers. The fly in the ointment in the overall picture is periodic complaints about extraneous noises and knocks that appear at fairly low mileage rates. In principle, our mentality allows us to forgive some “significant” mistakes made by designers, attributing the blame to the peculiarities of Russian roads. But the issue of the cost of service is acute, because not every average car owner can afford to contact a service center.
On the other hand, there are unpleasant facts when specialists and representatives of the official dealer are engaged in elementary “pumping out funds” without finding the cause of the malfunction. Therefore, the basics of basic suspension diagnostics and the possibility of self-repair should be known to the owner of a domestic car, at least for now.
Knocks and noises in the front suspension
Even an amateur can recognize extraneous noises that appear in his own car, because an unfamiliar sound is always clearly audible against the background of the familiar “ensemble.” Knocks and noises in the chassis of the car should not plunge the owner into a state of shock, because all components are repairable, but it is necessary to urgently diagnose and fix problems, since the condition of the suspension is not only driving comfort, but also road safety.
Extraneous noise can be produced by rubber with a hard tread or with a broken cord. A wheel bearing that has become unusable has similar symptoms. During the off-season, the accumulated dirt that gets between the brake disc and pads disturbs the ears.
Knocks have a different nature and appear in different situations. The cause of such an unpleasant phenomenon may be a faulty stabilizer link or bushing, a failed ball joint or support bearing. Let us examine in detail the diagnostic methods and methods for troubleshooting the suspension of the Lada Vesta.
Wheel bearing noise
If an inexperienced driver does not notice such a malfunction immediately, then over time he will still have to think about diagnostics, since this noise increases all the time.
In particularly advanced cases, the whine of the bearing can be heard in the cabin and can drown out other sounds.
Diagnostics
In order to make sure that the bearing is faulty, and at the same time determine from which side the sound is coming, it is enough to accelerate on the highway to 50 km/h, make sure that there are no other road users in front or behind, and make oscillating movements of small amplitude with the steering wheel while steering the car then to the right, then to the left.
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If the sound dies down in one position of the steering wheel, and intensifies in another, then it’s definitely a bearing. Moreover, an increase in sound when turning to the right indicates a malfunction of the left bearing and vice versa. All that remains is to verify the assumption. To do this, hang the wheel on which suspicion falls. When it rotates, a noise is heard - change the bearing.
Repair
The bearing cannot be repaired and requires replacement. All necessary manipulations are spelled out in the repair manual. The work is complicated by the fact that special devices and tools are required to press out and press in the bearing.
Stabilizer link knock
No matter how expensive the car is, you need to come to terms with the fact that on our roads the anti-roll bar turns into a consumable item. After several thousand kilometers, you can distinguish a characteristic knocking sound that sounds in the body.
Diagnostics
The first sign of a malfunction is the appearance of knocking noises, usually not very strong, but radiating to the underbody. This is especially unpleasant when the car overcomes even the slightest obstacles. For an accurate diagnosis, you will have to take the lever and, resting it on the subframe, swing the stabilizer. If play is detected in the area of the upper or lower hinge of the strut and a tapping sound is heard, then the strut is out of order.
Repair
The service life of the racks is usually the same, so it is recommended to change them in pairs. Just change them, since they cannot be repaired. All that is needed to replace it is to load the stabilizer by hanging both wheels. Use a 16mm wrench to unscrew the nuts on the hinge pins, and keep them from turning with a 5mm hexagon.
Ball joint knock
At first glance, it is difficult to distinguish this knock from the knock of the struts described above. But this malfunction has its own characteristic features.
Diagnostics
The knocking noise from the ball joint increases when overcoming bumps with the wheels turned out. To verify that the ball joint is faulty, you need to hang the wheel and check for play when swinging it relative to the horizontal axis. In simple words, you need to grab the wheel at the top and bottom. But a more accurate result is obtained if you insert a pry bar between the lower suspension arm and the subframe. Having such a leverage, it is not difficult to detect play in the ball joint.
Repair
Service maintenance of this vehicle involves replacing the lower suspension arm assembly with a ball joint and two silent blocks. However, you can find such a unit on sale as a ball joint, so it is considered a non-repairable, but replaceable part.
To replace the ball for the first time, you will have to remove the lever, since these two parts are connected by rivets that will have to be drilled out. The work is complicated by the need to loosen the subframe. The new balls are bolted on, so replacing them again is easy.
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Support bearing knock
Here you need to consider a whole range of symptoms of failure of the telescopic stand and its components. Many people mistakenly complain about shock absorber knocking. If we remember his structure, we can come to the conclusion that he himself cannot physically knock. It is represented by two cylinders, and a failed shock absorber does not dampen vibrations. But there is one nuance in the design of VAZ shock absorbers.
If a sudden and excessive force is applied during compression, the bypass valve system is deformed. In this case, fluid flows from one cylinder to another more slowly. When such a shock absorber operates at high frequencies, a slight play in the rod occurs, since there is less fluid under the piston than it should be. This play is audibly perceived as a knock.
Diagnostics To determine the performance of the shock absorber, it is necessary to externally assess its condition. Liquid leaking out indicates the need to replace the unit. The second method is to rock the car in a vertical plane. It is necessary to achieve resonance and then stop the effort. The car should swing again, and the vibrations will stop. This means the shock absorber is working properly.
Diagnostics of the upper support and support bearing is carried out in three ways.
- The assistant must rock the car. If you put your hand on the support from the engine compartment, you can feel the play.
- The destruction of the bearing or support is observed when the rack is completely disassembled.
- Remove the steering knuckle from the strut. When rotating the strut together with the spring, you need to listen to the operation of the bearing. If a crunching sound is heard, the bearing or support must be replaced.
Repair
The telescopic stand is removed and disassembled according to the established regulations. All components can be replaced separately. Consumables: shock absorber, protective cover, damper, support bearing, bearing support.
Knocks in the rear suspension
Judging by the reviews of car owners, Renault left Vesta a legacy of fairly rapid wear and tear of the silent blocks of the rear beam. They begin to bother you already at the third ten thousand kilometers. Another reason for knocking noises can be the destruction of the shock absorber support.
Diagnostics
Diagnosing a problem with a car's rear suspension is not easy, despite its simple design. The difficulty lies in the massiveness of the parts, so full diagnostics can only be carried out on a special lift.
Repair
To the delight of car enthusiasts, the rear suspension of the Lada Vesta has one advantage: it is easy to repair. You can even replace shock absorber mounts at home. But changing the silent blocks of a beam without a lift is very difficult. It is advisable to contact a car service center with such a problem.
The article does not reveal a step-by-step repair algorithm, but it answers the question of how you can diagnose the malfunction yourself. If you know the list of works, then the likelihood that the car service center will try to impose unnecessary work is reduced to zero, and this is a direct cost savings.
