Review of reinforced right engine mounts for Lada Vesta

As often happens, after the release of a new model, a lot of defects and “diseases” are found in it, which are, in fact, shortcomings and miscalculations of the engineers who worked on this car. Lada Vesta was no exception, and despite the fact that its appearance is largely due to the foreign automobile industry, it has characteristic sores that, according to tradition, we, car owners, have to correct.

In this article I want to talk about how to overcome the constantly tearing exhaust corrugation, and at the same time get rid of excessive engine vibration with just one small modification.

As it turned out, after the serial production of Vesta, the muffler corrugation fails very quickly, while the power unit itself simply “sausages” after several thousand kilometers. The reason for this anomaly was the engine mount, which was borrowed from a Frenchman named Logan. The support turned out to be either defective or simply weak; as a result, due to constant loads, it failed. This led to increased vibrations, which in turn loosened and destroyed the flexible element of the exhaust tract.

Most owners eliminated the consequence, that is, they replaced the corrugation, not realizing that the cause should be eliminated. And the solution to this issue actually lay on the surface, all that was needed was to replace the engine mount with a Lada Vesta, and not with the same “Loganov” one, but with a reinforced one, which runs longer and can easily withstand all the necessary loads. You can buy a ready-made reinforced Vesta engine mount (code: 112381035R or 8450031975 from Vesta Sport), or you can make one yourself quite quickly and easily. You will now find out how to do this.

Review of reinforced right engine mounts for Lada Vesta

One of the reasons for the appearance of extraneous knocks from the front right on the Lada Vesta family is a “tired” right engine mount.
To solve the problem, the engine mount is lubricated, modified, or replaced under warranty. There are cases where the engine mount was replaced four times in a short period of time. In such a situation, there is reason to think about installing an alternative, reinforced right engine mount. Are there any analogues? Vesta's standard right engine mount has article number 8450030109 and is offered at a price of 2,000 rubles. It is worth noting that it is used on VAZ engines. Lada Vesta with a CVT and a Renault-Nissan engine has a different original engine mount.

Currently, there are several analogues of this part.

Reinforced cushions are installed without modifications in the standard mounting points.
According to the manufacturer, reinforced supports are more reliable and durable, which eliminates the appearance of extraneous sounds over a long period of operation.

Information letter No. 41-19

When owners of Lada Vesta cars contact with the defect “knocking in the right engine mount”, it is necessary to carry out diagnostic work in accordance with the application. The decision on the warranty of the declared defect is made based on the results of the work performed.

When replacing the “right engine mount” part 8450030109 in a LADA VESTA vehicle, AGO, register according to code 1001089-096-000 “right mount knock” in compliance with the requirements of regulations No. 9-16 and No. 83-18. In the descriptive part of the AGO, indicate the parameters for measuring the gaps between the bump stops and the side wall of the “right engine mount”.

according to the assessment of the declared defect, 0.2 n/h, (item 87003*1);
for lubrication of bump stops 0.05 n/h. (position 87001*1);
for replacing the right engine mount 0.3 n/h, (item 10130*1).

Hydromount from BMW

1. First version Stage 1

Engine mount 2495601 from BMW 3 (E46) was taken as a basis. The price is about 2800 rubles.

The peculiarity of the support is that it is hydraulic (the design uses not only metal and rubber, but also oil).

a) at idle, soft support: b) in motion, hard support: 1 – lower (expansion) chamber; 2 – throttling channel; 3 – upper (working) chamber; 4 – movable membrane; 5 – hydraulic support housing; 6 – damping fluid channel.

The difference between a hydraulic and standard support is demonstrated in the video:

The weight of the pillow is 1.76 kg.

5300 rub. (the LEMFORDER 2495601 support itself costs about 2800 rubles).

2. Modified version of Stage 2.

The hydraulic mount itself is essentially the same thing with the addition of a guitar of the same manufacturer. Due to this, we managed to save some money, so the price increased only for the silent block itself.

Silent block from jikiu be21058, there are no analogues.

DIY reinforced lower engine mount for Lada Vesta

So we buy a new pillow, a regular one without an amplifier.

We dismantle the old pillow; to do this, you need to unscrew the two fastening bolts with an “18” key.

Next, we cut out the plate of the required configuration (stainless steel pipe, diameter 51 mm, thickness 2.5 mm, see photo), for further installation in the stock support. Some people make two plates on the sides; in this case, one solid one was used.

Now, using a press and lubricant, we press the plate into place.
Some simply bend the edges of the seat, flaring it along with the plate, but, in my opinion, grabbing the fragment by welding will be much more practical and effective.

We carefully grab the plate with several welding points on both sides for greater reliability.

Hydromount from BMW

1. First version Stage 1

Engine mount 2495601 from BMW 3 (E46) was taken as a basis. The price is about 2800 rubles.

The peculiarity of the support is that it is hydraulic (the design uses not only metal and rubber, but also oil).

The difference between a hydraulic and standard support is demonstrated in the video:

The weight of the pillow is 1.76 kg.

5300 rub. (the LEMFORDER 2495601 support itself costs about 2800 rubles).

2. Modified version of Stage 2.

Silent block from jikiu be21058, there are no analogues.

: withdrawn from sale.

Replacing the engine mount of the Lada Vesta and X-Ray begins with dismantling the mudguard of the power unit, after which the engine must be jacked up on the right side. The support itself is fixed to the spar using 3 bolts.

For dismantling you will need:

Using a 16mm wrench, unscrew the 2 bolts that secure the cushion to the body.
Remove the 2 bolts that secure the cushion to the power unit bracket. A TORX E12 bit is used for this.

When everything is done, you can remove the support.

Installation proceeds in the reverse order, and the bolts should be tightened in the range from 53 Nm to 71 Nm.

As for the right motor mount of the HR16 series, it has a slightly different layout.

Examination

It is not difficult to assess the need to replace the engine mounts of the Lada Vesta and X-Ray. This requires looking under the hood and visually inspecting the cushions for damage - breaks in rubber components, cracks in metal, etc.

In general, if you experience the following symptoms, you should consider replacing:

During a sharp start or when braking with the power unit, knocking noises are heard from under the hood;
Vibrations are felt while the engine is running;
The cabin fills with noise when driving.

The steps described below are relevant for two engines - VAZ 21129, as well as HR16, which were installed under the hood of the XRAY and Vesta models.

The sound of the engine mounts can be clearly heard in the video.

Manufacturers and prices of analogues

The cushions for Lada Vesta engines are considered by owners to be not particularly reliable and are even being modified to increase the effect of vibration absorption.

The TuningProsto studio is developing improved spare parts from AvtoVAZ, including a recent development - an engine mount. Their price will be on average 3,000 rubles, orders are still being accepted. The tests were successful, and on a car dealer's car intended for a test drive - the car is used very often.

Otherwise, there are no special attempts to create analogues, because the “craftsmen” have already drawn the attention of Vest owners to two modification options:

Came from Renault owners. It is necessary to create for each problematic pillow a metal plate 80 mm long, 38 mm wide and two grooves on the sides measuring 23 mm wide and 38 mm deep. The funny thing is that the X-Ray, which is in many ways similar to the Vesta, has the same engine (21129), but there are no problems with the upper right support - it’s just different.
If the part itself is still intact, it can be lubricated with silicone grease where the rubber hits the metal body.

Problem

As sad as it is to realize, West owners are not spared this problem either. Many owners notice knocking noises under the hood of the Lada Vesta, and they come from the right side.

As a rule, you don’t have to search for long, since the situation is well known. It appears on sedans that were equipped with engine mounts from the VAZ 21129. As a result, a whole cacophony of sounds began to be heard from the engine compartment, including knocks, clicks, squeaks, etc. Moreover, these sounds are so loud that they can be heard even in the cabin.

The knock from the support is quite loud

And the best confirmation of this is numerous videos in which owners of the domestic model demonstrate trouble.

And in this video you can hear knocks directly inside the car.

In addition, some owners began to “dig deeper” and found out that a similar situation occurs not only on Vesta, but also on other models of the Renault-Nissan Alliance. In particular, on the Nissan Qashqai. This is also confirmed in the video.

As for the Lada X-Ray, the hatchback has not noticed such a problem, even though its engines are the same as those on the sedan. The whole point is that X-Ray is equipped with different supports for the power unit.

Standard support left, right, rear – article number and price

The entire engine support system, called the suspension of the Lada Vesta car, consists of 14 parts, for each of which it is worth giving brief information:

Right engine mount assembly. Article: 8450030109. Price: from 1800 rubles.
Engine mounting rod with cushion and silent block assembly. Catalog number: 112381035R. Cost: from 700 rubles.
Rear engine mount bracket. Article: 8450006293. Price: from 3,900 rubles.
Reinforcement bracket for rear engine mount. Article: 8450030214. Price: from 70 rubles.
Left engine mount cushion assembly. Article number: 8450006299. Cost: from 1000 rubles.
Left rear eye for lifting the engine. Serial number: 8450008699. Price: from 600 rubles.
Bolt M10-1.5-35 10-9 SA3GS. Article: 7703602240. Cost: from 300 rubles.
Nut M10x1.25. Article: 8450001014. Cost: from 30 rubles.
Lower right engine mount bolt. Catalog number: 8450007980. Cost: from 60 rubles.
Upper right engine mount bolt. Catalog number: 8450008999. Cost: from 70 rubles.
Bolt M12-1.75-90 10-9 SA3GS (for bracket amplifier). Article: 7703602269. Price: from 600 rubles.
Hex nut with flange M12x175. Article: 7703033210. Price: from 350 rubles.
Rear engine mount bracket mounting bolt. Catalog number: 8450007985 (the lower bolt is numbered 8450007986). Cost: from 300 rubles.
Bolt M10X1, 25X53 TORX E Article: 8450008989. Price: from 30 rubles.
An additional engine mount for the Lada Vesta is sold under number 8450031975 and costs from 1,400 rubles.

Solution options

In fact, there are several of them.

Contacting the dealership

In the event of a visit to the dealer, there is, as a rule, no clear solution to the issue of knocking from under the hood of the Lada Vesta. It all depends on the specific salon. Some centers simply refuse to replace them, citing the fact that this is not a warranty case. Others sent information about the defect directly to AvtoVAZ, but this is a rather lengthy procedure, and therefore not everyone agrees to wait that long. And the answer is not always positive.

Replacing engine mounts for VAZ 21129 and HR16 (Lada Vesta and XRAY)

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The power unit (motor with gearbox) is suspended on supports, which are also called engine mounts. Strong vibrations transmitted from the engine to the body indicate wear on these rubber parts. To prevent this negative effect from occurring, it is recommended to replace the engine mounts as they wear out.

This manual covers the replacement of VAZ 21129 and HR16 engine mounts installed on the Lada Vesta and XRAY models.

Examination

In general, if you experience the following symptoms, you should consider replacing:

During a sharp start or when braking with the power unit, knocking noises are heard from under the hood;
Vibrations are felt while the engine is running;
The cabin fills with noise when driving.

The steps described below are relevant for two engines - VAZ 21129, as well as HR16, which were installed under the hood of the XRAY and Vesta models.

The sound of the engine mounts can be clearly heard in the video.